They're scared. I'm scared.

[beetiger]

I guess there's something positive about the fact that the President and the Pope, two major world leaders, feel like they have to talk about gay marriage. It means things are happening, and the conservative world is nervous. But it kind of kicks me out of the lazy mindset I have now and again, the mindset that says that we're nearly there on queer acceptance, and that church and state really are separated just like it says in the books.

I asked sythyry whether we could move to Canada soon. He reminded me that we're already married.

I actually have my ministerial credentials in NY now, through the Pagan Temple to which I belong. One of the dreams I have for my lifetime is to be able to officiate at a legal gay marriage here.

Comments

[kibbles.livejournal.com]

Well NYC (and other places) have same sex unions you can register at city hall. Not the same, but it does give couples some sort of legal protection. Which is all marriage SHOULD be. A legal contract. What your religion wants to do, it SHOULD be allowed to do.

I'm Quaker -- they do same sex weddings. The government does not recognize them. So the government, in some way, is legitimizing the beliefs of some religions over other religions, which is stupid, too. Just do the civil unions for two people of legal age who want a relationship like that, and let the churches and temples and circles and so on do what they want, without judgement, since it would be a different ceremony.

In Germany, you need to have a civil wedding. Even if you have a Church one, you need a civil one. That's how it should be. The religious one isnt enough. (At least that is how it was years ago.)

For those who want similar benefits, next of kin sort of stuff, did you know that adults can adopt each other? I've read of it before, I think thats pretty wild.

[melskunk.livejournal.com]

You're Quaker? Rock on! So am I! Our meeting marched in the Toronto Gay Pride Parade :)

[kibbles.livejournal.com]

Well, working on it -- but 'almost Quaker' sounds funny!

Apparently the NY Meeting has been at every Gay Pride Parade since inception, and at the night of the Stonewall riots they opened their doors for the people on the streets in trouble, giving them a safe space/sanctuary. In fact some people who marched that day said that they brought this up at the reviewing stand this year.

I'm too shy to write the letter -- I want to give it more time. It took me long enough (five YEARS) to get the nerve to go there at all. I'm funny that way. Born Catholic and stuff. Easily intimidated. ;)

[beetiger.livejournal.com]

I'm Quaker -- they do same sex weddings.

The Unitarian-Universalists, with whom I'm also associated, do same-sex union ceremonies, and have for decades, and are one of the few religious organizations possibly getting involved on the pro-gay-marriage side.